South Australian farmer John Michelmore writes:
It is blatantly obvious to many that carbon is not a pollutant, but an integral part of the environment.
Again the government has the cart before the horse. They sign to Kyoto protocol and embark on the introduction of a carbon trading scheme.
They then spend money on a community education scheme (9 million dollars by October) knowing that the majority of the population hasn’t a clue about the long term impact on Australia, when our competitors USA, China, Indonesia etc etc etc may well not introduce this tax burden to their economies.
The government also knows that there are serious questions in relation to the science behind the IPCC reports and the Guano Report (sorry for the spelling error). The reports are in the mainstream media almost daily if one cares to look.
For example David Evens who was a consultant to the Australian Greenhouse Office from 1999 to 2005 says of himself:
“I am the rocket scientist who wrote the carbon accounting model (FullCAM) that measures Australia’s compliance with the Kyoto Protocol, in the land use change and forestry sector.”
In this tremendous article in last Fridays Australian Newspaper David says:
It was great. We were working to save the planet. But since 1999 new evidence has seriously weakened the case that carbon emissions are the main cause of global warming, and by 2007 the evidence was pretty conclusive that carbon played only a minor role and was not the main cause of the recent global warming. As Lord Keynes famously said, “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?”
“There is no evidence to support the idea that carbon emissions cause significant global warming. None. There is plenty of evidence that global warming has occurred, and theory suggests that carbon emissions should raise temperatures (though by how much is hotly disputed) but there are no observations by anyone that implicate carbon emissions as a significant cause of the recent global warming.”
An education scheme for the general public would include this, wouldn’t it?? Education is done as part of a decision making process, not after the fact.
Based on the governments ads I’ve seen, this is not education, its propaganda in its worst form.
Education is when the public is given both sides of the story and allowed to decide for themselves on whether man made carbon dioxide emissions are impacting the world climate.
Education is not, calling carbon a pollutant and blaming the poor state of the River Murray on climate change induced by our carbon dioxide emissions. The state of the River Murray is only a function of poor government in Australia, nothing else.
Australia adopting a carbon trading scheme will have NO impact on global climates because we as a population are insignificant in the world.
I only hope that the general public can see through the propaganda.
Sure I agree we need to look after the planet for our descendants; but economic suicide for Australia isn’t going to be at all helpful to our kids.
I just can’t believe that our government believe that Australia’s adoption of a carbon trading scheme will make any difference to what other sovereign countries do. In the meantime Australia and its population will go broke.
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The more people that do this, the more chance we’ve got of getting to the truth. Don’t be put off by the video of the day on autocracy, monarchy and democracy!!!
Certainly satirical but always remember - politicians count VOTES.
Guys this guy is a snake oil salesman. Clinging to one bit of pseudo science to try and set the whole debate back a good few years.
Think about it - the Howard government did NOTHING for 10 years on climate change, except fudge the data on land clearing emissions…. now surprise surprise this Evans character leaves the AGO just when the new government is getting serious about climate change, because he knows that he can make a quid and get himself in the media by becoming a “sceptic”.
I’m not religious, but I bet most christians know a fair few people who used to believe and now don’t… would that make you give up your faith?
Thanks Matt,
Sorry I can’t comment on why Evans changed his viewpoint on the issue and probably never will.
The best I can do is put together some balanced articles for Agmates and try and educate all the readers viewing this website.
The important issue is that their is informed debate about a carbon trading scheme and the science it is based on.
An advertising campaign that only pushes one side of the story is not good enough on this issue. Australia should have had a long informed debate on global warming before we signed the Kyoto protocol, the issue is just too important to be just a political issue.
The science relating to the subject is inexact at best. The cause of Climate Change is based on inexact science and the issue of whether the global temperature moved first, followed by carbon dioxide and methane level increases in the atmosphere, or the reverse, is like the proverbial chicken and egg issue.
My bet is both have occurred and they feed each other. The problem is that I don’t believe man can halt the change (whether positive or negative) in view that the earth has experienced these hot periods and ice ages historically.
If climate change is based on inexact science and climate models, any carbon trading scheme will be flawed, inequitable and another burden on Australia’s economy. However I also believe that we should curtail the greed and consumerism that drives our world closer to catastrophe.
The first of the articles I’ll do for the Agmates website will be on the issue of methane, seeing that this gas has become a real issue for farmers breeding cattle.
We could double emmissions today and double production and still be carbon tax free and neutral but nah hit em harder but smile and sympathise.
Food is now a weapon, fuel is a weapon, water is a weapon and now air itself is a weapon that can and does cause death injury pain and poverty.
read a history book the world has a regular history of flooding and tropical weather events….
this world changes and fights man on a daily basis…its coming round with or without you, the 747 and teevee and broadband just made it more public
Even the Artic used to be tropical with crocodiles..not so globally warm today is it
the carbon climate cult wont stop the frequency nor the return of iceages and warmer periods…sadly people think if they all jump together the world shakes…. but its really when the world shakes all the people jump.
Water is life
Light is Life
together with soil and mans gardening and seeding the Sun and Rain make Food
Food is Energy
Energy is Food
If you drive your car 100km with the same load the same way with half the fuel it dies..
If you carry your load the same way the same distance on half the food required you starve then die…
A 3000kj workload that eats 1800kj is starving itself eventually to death.
Any restriction on life is a crime causing death, causing food shortages or energy crisis or water crisis or t a x i n g life is a crime.
There is no shortage of food
There is no shortage of energy
UNLESS
You artificially restrict the supply and increase the price say with a $40 ton carbon tax to offset the worlds farting and breathing man made glabal warming conspiracy theorists and those working contributing nothing to global warming or any climate change are affected big time.
Then people cannot afford to grow the food or buy the food or transport the food or store or sell the food without massive increases.
It takes up to 10 times x the energy of the food itself to grow the food transport the food process the food store the food sell the food and buy the food and cook the food.
The worlds people have allowed the worlds food and energy to be gambled and sold bought and owned by the most rich most careless profit minded bloated ugly cruel and powerful minority group in the world.
Food is now a weapon, fuel is a weapon, water is a weapon and now air itself is a weapon that can and does cause death injury pain and poverty.
You forget the people are important, more so than man made theories designed to cripple industry and the food chain itself, the worlds population is increasing, we need to keep doing what we ALL do here without mindless restriction and loaded costs causing poverty and milking the people who are supplying the food and raw materials at barrgain basement prices, we decide by hands what happens and yet a few hands dont care yet they have the keys to the solution and choose to inflict more misery.
Its not crop substitution its called when you raise the price of diesel 75% everything EVERY THING goes up 75% and more fertiliser is petrochemical hydrocarbon based, tractors and trucks are INPUTS into food price costs…they ALL use Oil/Diesel.
Bio fuels are not responsible for oil prices, wars are..make a graph pre George W and where the Oil is today…count the President Vice President and Secretary of State 1.2..3 right then who hasnt got the OIL background ?
Our oil is our 3rd biggest export after coal and iron ore..
1. coal hydrocarbon
2. iron ore = hydrocarbon to dig and transport
3. OIL
We giveaway our LNG to china for a few cents per litre…and pay nearly a dollar
We giveaway our Oil to Vietnam and Indonesia so they can cut it refine it or crack it and we buy it back $125 per barrell..
The numbest dumbest bunch of gutless cowards in the world cant even give us our food and fuel for what it costs.
The mandarins want cheap supply but have increased input costs..it works as a multiplier not a reducer. Same with interest rates it feeds the fire it claims to put out. As it is another cost to input it becomes a output increase.
Then theres our electricity costs 6cents per kwh to produce at your friendly State owned supplier but sells it back to you the owner at nearly 20cents per kwh baaaaaaaaaa moooooo its okaaaay this is already a TAX and they want to add another T A X.
When$$ the carbon t a x hits around $40 a ton, you’ll need a
par lie mental pension to travel eat and heat.
Rather than trying to be one of the methane co2 greenhouse doomsayers
and be out of a job political or civil..or hungry or cold or in poverty
Why not recognise that whilst we can and will improve our efficiency Australians have the best record in the entire world;
5% of the world yet using just 2.5% of the emmissions.
5%-2.5 = +2.5% credit…wheres my credits someones stealing my credits someones forgotten my credits.
One acre of pine stores 1 ton of carbon per annum
In 200 billion acres we have more trees than what we need…
We are net consumers of greenhouse gas not as the rest of the overpopulated undervegetated world is also benefiting from our production of up to a third 33% of the worlds food and raw materials at bargain basement prices.
Even the corresponding imports of manufactured items are inflated x 5 and we pay dearly in giving it cheap and buying dearly.
Australia has not exploited its trees at the sake of the atmosphere we have 100 acres per Australian man woman and baby only 1.5% of it is urbanised this has trees also look around…only 7% is arable ploughable land this has many trees then the remainder is forest shrublands and native vegetation.
If Parliament carbon taxes australia its a crime, we are the greenest people on the planet despite our industry.
We need a referendum on man made global warming conspiracy theory.
Offsetting the poor and certain industries is only transferring the pain directly to working families those who pay and their employer or employment and dont forget your mates the third world which likes to eat at $2 a day…and gets very upset if they dont…
By the way theres 1.5 billion farting chainmen up north what do you suggest we do feed them or tell them shops shut ?
Theres plenty of opportunity to count the trees and divide by 21 million ..thank you
We could double emmissions today and double production and still be carbon tax free and neutral but nah hit em harder but smile and sympathise.
Just today newsflash plant a tree day 1 million trees got planted today here, our farmers have been doing more than this for years, tell Australia we can either get our credits or get a chainsaw
STOP NEWS FLASH
GREENHOUSE GARNUTS GREENPAPER IS DEAD..
I LOVE THE SOUND OF SHREDDERS IN KLIMATE KEVVIES KARBON KAVE Whrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
ANU REPORTS 8/8/08
160 % OF OUR EMMISSIONS ARE CAPTURED EACH YEAR BY THE FORESTS JUST IN SOUTH EAST AUSTRALIA… tools down everybody relax the carbon tax debate is gone history…wow
NOW the carbon credits are due, when they finish counting we will have 4 to 10 times the trees we need for ourselves…beauty boys we can then swap our credits for new technology with those over populated under vegetated sand and oil jockeys bloated with cash…and sell more carbon credits I like it..
Who knows we might get a 3 day 18 hour week and a foreign guest maid and gardener too just like our cashed up mates and no taxes for we have done more for the world far more than it has done for us….
NO TAX REQUIRED JUST A WHOLE BAG OF CREDITS TO COLLECT AND WE HAVENT COUNTED ALL THE TREES YET….
GIVE MY KARBON KREDITS KLIMATE K E V V I E
Hi Mick,
I agree with most of what you say, but do you think Australians will actually DO anything, I don’t.
Sadly, I think Aussies are the most complacent, gullible, most easily divided people in the world. Our Government(s) still live in the days of the penal colony, and treat us accordingly.
The recent transport workers strike was going to be on for two weeks, it lasted two days, what went wrong?. Were they thrown a few crumbs? Were the bosses of TWU thrown some larger crumbs?
As you stated, we are being screwed by a duopally, and also by Gov’ts, who I believe are in cahoots with B/Business.
Also, Unions have become a hive of little bee’s wanting to become BIG BEE’s and go to the BIG BEEHIVE. Do nothing constructive, but dream up new taxes to fund their ever increasing salaries and expenses and feed off the honey produced by the workers in the land.
Terry
Hi Terry,
Of interest from New Zealand’s Ag magazine “Straight Furrow”, an article from Professor Geoff Kearsley.
http://tinyurl.com/6hds9d.
If only the Wongs, Garnauts and Rudds of Australia would listen to scientific reason, instead of jumping into bed with the “Economists???”
Jeff
Sorry to report that New Zealand’s Emissions Trading Scheme has been passed into law, by 63 - 57 vote
From National Business Review - 10/9/2008
The mindset shows through in the statement “charging the polluter”, indicating CO2 is a pollutant.
Grin and bear it, we’re next.
That’s bad news Jeff - pretty close vote though, it might not last long - a lot of people have woken up or are waking up to the fact that it is a load of cr#p.
Like hell I’ll grin and bear it - I have told my husband that if they ever try to slap a methane farting tax on our cows he’ll have to look after himself for a while ‘cos I’ll be going to jail - I will never ever ever pay a supremely idiotic tax such as a methane tax.
Anyway I’m hoping it will never come to that things are changing fast in the world the US and the coalition of the idiotic willing are losing big time their wars for their control of oil, gas pipelines, drugs ,arms.
Pakistan has today issued orders to kill US invaders - decent people of the world are sick to death of US/UK/Israel/Australia ’s wars and they are kicking them out.
So we will see how the neo-cons and socialist government and opposition spins losing.