Comments on: Can You Help These Agmate’s? http://www.agmates.com/blog/2008/05/05/can-you-help-these-agmates/ Rural News and Commentary Written by Rural People-for-Rural People Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:38:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Jenny Bird http://www.agmates.com/blog/2008/05/05/can-you-help-these-agmates/#comment-1604 Jenny Bird Fri, 09 May 2008 08:31:32 +0000 http://www.agmates.com/blog/?p=441#comment-1604 I have had a good read of these sites Ken..very informative...and a bit scary!!! May explain though why Bill and I have had an awful summer with asthema type symptoms.......laboured breathing, congestion etc. Bill has resorted to wearing a mask it has effected him so much. Obviously the body can handle only so much. The crop hay got 4 inches on it with follow up rain and was 4 weeks before being pressed...black as and very dangerous depite the many rakings....although the cattle eat it all. And I thought the greatest danger was it setting the place on fire!!!! There is no obvious problem with the bails being fed to the cattle although they have had a product called Pestigard which is designed to improve/enhance their immune system. Maybe we should have a couple of shots too! I suggest others have a read too. We are ever increasingly beset by things we can't see with the naked eye. I will be a bit more industrious about picking up those old bones in the paddock the seed drill turned up and burning dead stock in the future etc .......as well as making sure the old mouldy feed gets tipped out of the feed bins before I add more when I feed the horses!!! Those mice in the timber feed bin will be dealt with tomorrow too and a mouse proof drum found!!! Jen I have had a good read of these sites Ken..very informative…and a bit scary!!! May explain though why Bill and I have had an awful summer with asthema type symptoms…….laboured breathing, congestion etc. Bill has resorted to wearing a mask it has effected him so much. Obviously the body can handle only so much. The crop hay got 4 inches on it with follow up rain and was 4 weeks before being pressed…black as and very dangerous depite the many rakings….although the cattle eat it all. And I thought the greatest danger was it setting the place on fire!!!! There is no obvious problem with the bails being fed to the cattle although they have had a product called Pestigard which is designed to improve/enhance their immune system. Maybe we should have a couple of shots too!
I suggest others have a read too. We are ever increasingly beset by things we can’t see with the naked eye.
I will be a bit more industrious about picking up those old bones in the paddock the seed drill turned up and burning dead stock in the future etc …….as well as making sure the old mouldy feed gets tipped out of the feed bins before I add more when I feed the horses!!! Those mice in the timber feed bin will be dealt with tomorrow too and a mouse proof drum found!!! Jen

]]> By: Agmates http://www.agmates.com/blog/2008/05/05/can-you-help-these-agmates/#comment-1603 Agmates Fri, 09 May 2008 07:59:04 +0000 http://www.agmates.com/blog/?p=441#comment-1603 Follow up - Rosalie contacted me and her email address has been forwarded onto John with Rosalie's permission. We are happy to put you two South Australian Agmate's in touch with each other to work on your State issues down there. Cheers - Steve Follow up -
Rosalie contacted me and her email address has been forwarded onto John with Rosalie’s permission. We are happy to put you two South Australian Agmate’s in touch with each other to work on your State issues down there.
Cheers - Steve

]]> By: Agmates http://www.agmates.com/blog/2008/05/05/can-you-help-these-agmates/#comment-1602 Agmates Fri, 09 May 2008 07:55:18 +0000 http://www.agmates.com/blog/?p=441#comment-1602 G'day Jenny, Thanks for that. Did you follow up the links to web sites that Ken Fraser kindly left you in his comment below? G’day Jenny,
Thanks for that. Did you follow up the links to web sites that Ken Fraser kindly left you in his comment below?

]]> By: Jenny Bird http://www.agmates.com/blog/2008/05/05/can-you-help-these-agmates/#comment-1600 Jenny Bird Fri, 09 May 2008 07:43:21 +0000 http://www.agmates.com/blog/?p=441#comment-1600 No problem here Steve with any horse product....this company is in America.... but there is potential for farmers who have bought in hay or made hay that has been wet or like in our case crop hay done in 8x4x3 bales stored in the paddock under plastic and has managed to get wet. However, we have fed 600 bales so far with no problem!!!.......although it isn't pleasant inhailing all the mouldy 'dust' when you split a badly wet one open. Locally there have been countless stacks burn......ours was insured but didn't! By all means you have a blanket permission for anyone to access my email address through you. I look forward to Rosalie's comments. I am wondering what the "Prescribing" legislation is all about and if it is anything like the demands put upon river frontage owners to fence off areas of the river bank to have them plant trees and lock off water access. There is a lot of this erosion of owners' rights going on by different Gov. Depts. The bottom line has always been you don't own anything if someone else wants it!!!! I can assure you in Victoria you don't own the water that falls on your country.....the Government says it is theirs! Jen No problem here Steve with any horse product….this company is in America…. but there is potential for farmers who have bought in hay or made hay that has been wet or like in our case crop hay done in 8×4x3 bales stored in the paddock under plastic and has managed to get wet. However, we have fed 600 bales so far with no problem!!!…….although it isn’t pleasant inhailing all the mouldy ‘dust’ when you split a badly wet one open. Locally there have been countless stacks burn……ours was insured but didn’t!
By all means you have a blanket permission for anyone to access my email address through you. I look forward to Rosalie’s comments. I am wondering what the “Prescribing” legislation is all about and if it is anything like the demands put upon river frontage owners to fence off areas of the river bank to have them plant trees and lock off water access. There is a lot of this erosion of owners’ rights going on by different Gov. Depts. The bottom line has always been you don’t own anything if someone else wants it!!!! I can assure you in Victoria you don’t own the water that falls on your country…..the Government says it is theirs!
Jen

]]> By: Agmates http://www.agmates.com/blog/2008/05/05/can-you-help-these-agmates/#comment-1593 Agmates Fri, 09 May 2008 02:27:49 +0000 http://www.agmates.com/blog/?p=441#comment-1593 G'day John, The errors thing is fixed. Your comment is now published above with the links. We'll wait to hear from Rosalie and thanks for providing her with your info and links. Cheers - Steve G’day John,

The errors thing is fixed. Your comment is now published above with the links. We’ll wait to hear from Rosalie and thanks for providing her with your info and links. Cheers - Steve

]]> By: John Michelmore http://www.agmates.com/blog/2008/05/05/can-you-help-these-agmates/#comment-1588 John Michelmore Fri, 09 May 2008 00:09:50 +0000 http://www.agmates.com/blog/?p=441#comment-1588 Dear Rosalie, I wrote a 1000 word response to you, but it was too big for the Agmates website. If you are happy for me to have your e-mail address I will send it direct to you. Please let Steve know if this is OK. There is no doubt the 5 year prohibition on the taking of water is seriously impacting some farmers in the Adelaide Hills. The state government assault on landowners is widespread across all Australian Sates and includes the theft of many items relating to land, including carbon, native vegetation ,water. In many instances now, this theft is leaving the landowner with a useless piece of dirt. This theft is moving into the cities where landowners do not realise that "theft" is occurring. It will take some time for city pepole to realise that if they stand by and let government steal property without recompense on just terms, they risk the same loss as farmers are now experiencing. Please refer to the following web address's for further information. http://ww.sosnews.org/ http://www.sosnews.org:80/newsfront/?p=157 John Michelmore Dear Rosalie,
I wrote a 1000 word response to you, but it was too big for the Agmates website. If you are happy for me to have your e-mail address I will send it direct to you. Please let Steve know if this is OK.
There is no doubt the 5 year prohibition on the taking of water is seriously impacting some farmers in the Adelaide Hills.
The state government assault on landowners is widespread across all Australian Sates and includes the theft of many items relating to land, including carbon, native vegetation ,water. In many instances now, this theft is leaving the landowner with a useless piece of dirt.
This theft is moving into the cities where landowners do not realise that “theft” is occurring. It will take some time for city pepole to realise that if they stand by and let government steal property without recompense on just terms, they risk the same loss as farmers are now experiencing.
Please refer to the following web address’s for further information. http://ww.sosnews.org/
http://www.sosnews.org:80/newsfront/?p=157

John Michelmore

]]> By: Ken Fraser http://www.agmates.com/blog/2008/05/05/can-you-help-these-agmates/#comment-1522 Ken Fraser Tue, 06 May 2008 07:04:05 +0000 http://www.agmates.com/blog/?p=441#comment-1522 Dear Jenny, A good explanation of Aflotoxins can be found at the following web pages: www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/toxicagents/aflatoxin/aflatoxin.html www.news-medical.net/?keyword=Aflatoxins encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Aflatoxins health.act.gov.au There is a considerable amount of info on this topic on various sites. Just type in Aflotoxins on your browser home page and see what comes up. You might be surprised. Good luck and hope this is helpful in some way. KF Dear Jenny,

A good explanation of Aflotoxins can be found at the following web pages:

http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/toxicagents/aflatoxin/aflatoxin.html
http://www.news-medical.net/?keyword=Aflatoxins
encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Aflatoxins
health.act.gov.au

There is a considerable amount of info on this topic on various sites. Just type in Aflotoxins on your browser home page and see what comes up. You might be surprised. Good luck and hope this is helpful in some way.

KF

]]> By: Agmates Editor http://www.agmates.com/blog/2008/05/05/can-you-help-these-agmates/#comment-1507 Agmates Editor Mon, 05 May 2008 22:55:37 +0000 http://www.agmates.com/blog/?p=441#comment-1507 G'day Jen, Great work, answering your own question. I had no idea and was keen to know the answer. So there is no problem here in Australia? G’day Jen,

Great work, answering your own question. I had no idea and was keen to know the answer. So there is no problem here in Australia?

]]> By: Jenny Bird http://www.agmates.com/blog/2008/05/05/can-you-help-these-agmates/#comment-1506 Jenny Bird Mon, 05 May 2008 22:50:18 +0000 http://www.agmates.com/blog/?p=441#comment-1506 I asked a feed nutritionist who works for Inghams Chickens about these aflatoxins and he explained they develop microtoxins from spore (like mushroom spore) which some gut systems can't handle. They exist in silage and mouldy hay and if they are at such levels the animal's gut can't cope they become toxic. Different animals and birds react differently to these levels. This Purina company has discovered they have allowed levels to get into their feed components and have been forced to withdraw all their products as a result. Jen I asked a feed nutritionist who works for Inghams Chickens about these aflatoxins and he explained they develop microtoxins from spore (like mushroom spore) which some gut systems can’t handle. They exist in silage and mouldy hay and if they are at such levels the animal’s gut can’t cope they become toxic. Different animals and birds react differently to these levels.
This Purina company has discovered they have allowed levels to get into their feed components and have been forced to withdraw all their products as a result.
Jen

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